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crunch
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 Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: Help! which amp do i want? |
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Ok its time to buy a serious amp and i would like to know what your thoughts are?
I have a Les Paul
I love classic rock such as AC / DC and i must have that all tube overdrive.
I am looking at something like a DSL 50 watt or TSL 122 100 watt combo or TSL 60 watt, that i have an opportunity to buy 2nd hand at very reasonable prices.
Currently I muck around in my "Band room" at home but hope to start up a band with a mate to play in Pubs/clubs.
I know 100 watts is an aweful lot of power and i would never see the amp on 10.
My question is can you still get decent tone from a 100 watter at lower volume settings?
Is the virtual power reduction on the TSL 122 and TSL 100 produce the tone of a hard working 25 watter as advertised.
Or am i better off with a lower wattage and make it work (DSL 50)
Also for the style of rock i like what cabinet should I choose if buying a head?
All Suggestions welcome |
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ActionFRANK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: ok |
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ok, so marshall brings the beuty of having heavy distortion and great sounds. it all depends about what u are going to do with it and how much ure going to spend. I am using the Marshall Avt50 which is just about 50 watts and u could play a gig with that thing. what i like about marshall is that even though their watt number is low, it could be really loud. If ure going to play at shows, go for the Tsl 60. If ure just going to stay home, or play with friends, then go for the combo, Tsl is a great line of amps.
If u are also going to buy a cab, then go for either the Marshall Avt412 or go buy a nice Mesa/Mesa Boogie cab. U could hook up any marshall hyrbrid combo with a cab, in the back, there should be a red amp cable, just unplug it, and put in an amp cable to hook up into the cab.
hope i was useful. |
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radsaf66
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Joined: 24 Sep 2006
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Location: New Hampshire USA
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| I just got a late 70's master volume JMP 2203, they came out before the JCM 800s, they are a graet sounding head for classic rock, AC/DC to the T. Mine is a 100watts but you can get great tones at low volume, I just back off the 2nd volume and run a Ibanez Tube Sreamer and it souds sweet. I had the New DSL head and JCM 800s they are very bright and treble sounding when you turn them up A lot of people swear by the 800s I just couldn't get the right sound from them. just my opinion though. Good Luck.[/img] |
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Buckethead
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Joined: 24 Sep 2006
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Location: BUCKETHEAD LAND!!
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| Yah, I recommend Marshall Tsl-122s for AD/DC style rock, How much money can you spend? |
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Goes_To_Eleven
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Location: CT, USA
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| Actually, the 2203 & 2204(50-watt) master volume heads were rolled into the JCM800 line in 1981. After 1984, Marshall made cost-cutting changes to the 2203 that thinned out the tone, which brings in that weaker, treble tone you speak of. |
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diana
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| well, i think the best is jcm800, noone else can give you that sound..Luckly now we can spend less to have something like that if you don't want a brand but a sound |
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Goes_To_Eleven
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Location: CT, USA
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Ok its time to buy a serious amp and i would like to know what your thoughts are?
I have a Les Paul
I love classic rock such as AC / DC and i must have that all tube overdrive. |
If you want that exact tone, there are three ways to go: get yourself either a Marshall 1987 Lead, a Marshall 1959 Super Lead, or a Marshall JTM45 (which is Angus' main recording amp). These are the 4-input heads, and are the sound of classic '70s rock, period.
I can't recommend the JCM800 line for the sound you're looking for, as they have a completely different EQ band from the 4-input heads. They're great amps in their own right (I own two Jubilee heads, which are based on the 2203/2204 models), but the tone is quite different from the 4-input Marshalls. The bandwith on the EQ is much wider and is voiced different with the JCM800 types. |
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JoEllis
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| Quote: | | If you want that exact tone, there are three ways to go: get yourself either a Marshall 1987 Lead, a Marshall 1959 Super Lead, or a Marshall JTM45 (which is Angus' main recording amp). These are the 4-input heads, and are the sound of classic '70s rock, period. |
For what you want I agree completely. You are looking for output-tube distortion. This would also be options on which you can expand in numerous ways to be more versatile in the long run if you maybe want to do something else in the future. Also do remember that a lot of classic-rock guitarists (not Angus & Mal) used boosters in front of the amp to get more juice out of the preamp.
BTW did you know that Angus and Mal only turn their amps up to around 5!!!??? I've got an magazine-interview here in which he says that. Apparently they both feel their amps sound mushy on higher settings. Who'da thunk it!? I guess the way they play their guitars and things like string-guage, pickups, etc. has as much to do with the end-product as the actual amp.
As for the DSL or TSL question: I'd get the DSL 50 if you're not gonna get a 4-input Marshall. They're supposedly voiced to be more vintagey-sounding and you'd be able to get output-tube distortion a little bit easier than with the 100w TSL.
For your cab-requirements, I would get a cab with a power-rating of just over the wattage of your amp. This will get you much closer to the classic rock sound than the high-power-rated modern cabs. Maybe a 4X12 with 25-watt Greenbacks. I play a 100w Super Bass head through a 2X12 cab rated at 140 watts and it sounds awesome. |
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Goes_To_Eleven
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| Quote: | BTW did you know that Angus and Mal only turn their amps up to around 5!!!??? I've got an magazine-interview here in which he says that. Apparently they both feel their amps sound mushy on higher settings. Who'da thunk it!? I guess the way they play their guitars and things like string-guage, pickups, etc. has as much to do with the end-product as the actual amp.
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I agree with them on that count. My Super Lead has a master volume mod, but I rarely run the master beyond 5. Generally, I stay right on 3 or 4. I run Volume I full-tilt and Volume II at 4, and keep the master at 3-4. I don't care for the way an amp sounds when you start to crank it. I guess it's the power tube compression that I don't like. To me, the tone loses definition, but I know many guys swear by cranking their amps to 10 all around. |
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