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gregor77
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: HELP! Mesa Meltdown! Reply with quote

I have a Mesa Boogie Rocket 44. It works great for a few minutes and then starts cutting out - losing 75% of its volume and crackling loudly. I am broke and looking for a way to fix this myself. Any ideas from my colleagues here would be greatly appreciated. thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just described how my friends jcm800 sounded right before he had
to replace the output transformer. Instead of "after a few minutes", it
eventually turned into "as soon as he turned it on".

now, it might be something like an output tube or tube socket. If you are
confident you can (and sure you want to) resolve it yourself, I'd start by
seeing if you can borrow a test/working set of tubes. Then I would do a
visual inspection of the inside of the amp. If nothing noticeably wrong, I
would try to isolate if the problem was in the preamp or the power amp -
thats easy if you have an effects loop. I would then take resistance readings
for the potentiometers (easy & quick ). If all is normal at this point, I would take
voltage readings on all the tube socket pins and comparing them to
known good values for the tube/pin - as long as they are in the ball park,
you could consider it good (as voltages will vary from amp to amp). (let the
amp warm up before taking the readings). But like I said, it kind of
sounds like the output transformer.

let us know, and if there are any follow up questions, let us know too..
good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Question on preamp problem vs power amp Reply with quote

tw001_tw wrote:
If nothing noticeably wrong, I
would try to isolate if the problem was in the preamp or the power amp -
thats easy if you have an effects loop. .


OK, how do I accomplish this?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Repalced a 12AX7A tube Reply with quote

I replaced the last preamp tube (furthest from the input) and the crackling seems to have been eliminated. Thanks for the tips!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Repalced a 12AX7A tube Reply with quote

gregor77 wrote:
I replaced the last preamp tube (furthest from the input) and the crackling seems to have been eliminated. Thanks for the tips!!!


If I knew step #1 would have resolved it, I wouldn't have taken the time
to type all the other steps out Mad

Jok'in - glad it was that easy for you. And to answer your question about
isolating the preamp / power amp with the effects loop, you would run a line
out from the 'send' to a recording device, or mixer, or.... whatever (as long
as it is appropriate for line level signals) - if the problem was not present,
you would know that the issue would be after the effects loop in the signal
chain.

Welcome to the forum by the way!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Thanks tw001_tw. But last night - OOPS! FIRE! Reply with quote

The small transformer started smoking - the wire coming out of it was glowing red and smoking. So I guess this transformer is toast. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks tw001_tw. But last night - OOPS! FIRE! Reply with quote

gregor77 wrote:
The small transformer started smoking - the wire coming out of it was glowing red and smoking. So I guess this transformer is toast. Any ideas?


Ouch.

I have to ask, "small transformer" - I am guessing you are referring to the
output transformer, and not the really small reverb transformer - right?

In either case, there isn't much to do except double check everything as
well as you can withOUT power, and replace the transformer in question.
You should be 110% sure the output impedance is correct, all tubes are
good (you can have a shop test them for you if needed) and all cables are
good (spkr. & reverb pan cables) - then after replacing the transformer,
you should be good to go.

It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) you and your amps safety
is worth extra money by taking it to the shop if you are not comfortable
doing this work.

Wish I had a great easy solution for you.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: YIKES! Mesa meltdown? Reply with quote

The transformer that smoked was the small one that is located on the right hand side of the amp as you view the amp from the back side.

I replaced the tubes with EL84's I scavenged from my 30 watt Peavey Classic 30. I bought those tubes in a matched set from J&J.

Did mixing these two tubes with the Mesa EL 84's cause the transformer to blow out???

Is there a website that offers downloads of Mesa schematics?

BTW, estimates for repairing this amp are running as much as $400, which is more than I paid for the thing. So any help with fixing this is greatly appreciated, since i can't pay a tech pro to do it. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been a while! I was hoping you had it all solved by now.

Mixing the el84's would not have done that
I checked at the usual schematic sites... I can't fine your model.

Check your PM.

-tw
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Thanks tw, for your responses! Reply with quote

I can't access the PM (not authorised) is the message I get, even when signed in. I checked the FAQ and didn't find anything there to solve the problem. I'll keep trying. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to have 10 or 11 posts to send a PM. I thought since I sent you
one, you could access it. 1 or 2 more posts to go Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: OK. Reply with quote

I 'll stick around and keep checking as I post. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: OK! I resonded to your PM Reply with quote

Thanks! BTW, wires from the speaker input jacks run to the small transformer-like device that was smoking. See photo.

[img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/33266605@N02/?saved=1[/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The transformer in question is the output transformer.
The green and yellow ones look like the OT secondaries - the blue and brown
are coming form each 'side' of the power stage and the red is giving the
OT its high voltage. I don't see a reverb transformer in the pictures. Razz

back to the original plan. replace the OT transformer. You going to do it,
or have it done at a shop?

<edited>
while you have it out, do you see any burnt or blackish components (since
its out of the chassis) ?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might try and do it, but I'll have to learn how to safely proceed because I haven't done this before. Are the Weber transformers good? Can you recommend a good brand of replacement transformer?

I haven't seen any other blackened components inside. Thanks for your input!
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