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hellraiser
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: One amp, two speakers Reply with quote

Hello,
I am looking for some advice, i own a fully working Orange Crush 30watt amp, and a broken "Kustom" (Yes that is a company!) 35DFX amp. I know that the speaker (its a nice celestion) works in the Kustom and it is the same rating/impedance as my orange amp. I was wondering if i can power both two speakers from the one amp? Is there a simple way i can do this or would i need to do things like make my own parts? The amp only has headphone and line out switches. If i can, then i would hope to get an old empty 2by12 Cabinet and mount the speakers in there? Any reply would be appreciated. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to say, but No. Unless you could change the impedance rating on
the Orange amp.

If the 2 speakers have the same impedance, and you hook them together, the
result would either be double their individual current impedance or only half
of their individual current impedance.

Some people would go ahead and do it. And it may work well for you for
some time. If you want to be on the safe side, make sure your speaker load
matches what the amp is expecting.

-tw

p.s - while I'm thinking about it - does the amp manual say anything about
different wattages at different speaker loads? some do, but I'm not familiar
with the orange amps.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. No unfortunatley the orange manual is only two pages long and not very helpful at all. I might get the old amp repaired then, i changed the transformer but that wasnt it. It might be the tubes... or i could just sell the speaker or the whole lot. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two speakers using just a single amplifier is impossible.




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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked It is? Shocked


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genusled - Just for your information. I'll make up a scenario.

You have an amp. It is hardwired to use an 8 ohm speaker.
You get 2 4 ohm speakers and wire them in series, for a total load of
8 ohms. No problems. You can end up with 1 amp with one speaker
out jack and use 2 speakers, regardless if they are in a 2x12 cabinet or
2 individual 1x12 cabinets.


Where hellraiser was running into problems is that the impedance level on
his amp would not match the impedance of the two speakers, no matter how
he hooked them up.

There is an exception to this rule, but I'm still trying to figure it out / learn
about it. But I can say for now, if there is a will, there IS a way.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The truth is out there...


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAguitar wrote:
The truth is out there...


Yes it is!!! And I'm gonna find it!

Heres what I'm on to SA.
I mentioned (somewhere) that I picked up two Jenson 2x12 cabinets.
The speakers are 16ohm each. Wired in parallel for total 8 ohms each
cabinet. BUT, measured at the 'line in' jack', its 2 ohms. Measured at
the 'aux spkr' jack, its still only 2 ohms, but measured at the jack
labeled 'HF array', its 6 ohms. Well, the missing piece of info is that there
is a transformer (and a good sized one) right next to the 'HF array' jack.

A transformer you say? In a lonely old speaker cabinet? Why Yes!
I've been meaning to attempt some research on this matter - just havn't
gotten around to it.

You holding back info on me? Wink

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this reminds me, I gotta post pictures of these things.
They are so ugly, they are beautiful! True early 70's funk.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this is definitely not my area of expertise! But I've never heard of a transformer in a humble little speaker cab before. But the truth is out there, and we're on the hunt! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: One amp, two speakers Reply with quote

hellraiser wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for some advice, i own a fully working Orange Crush 30watt amp, and a broken "Kustom" (Yes that is a company!) 35DFX amp. I know that the speaker (its a nice celestion) works in the Kustom and it is the same rating/impedance as my orange amp. I was wondering if i can power both two speakers from the one amp? Is there a simple way i can do this or would i need to do things like make my own parts? The amp only has headphone and line out switches. If i can, then i would hope to get an old empty 2by12 Cabinet and mount the speakers in there? Any reply would be appreciated. Thanks.


You could wire the speakers in series but you wouldnt get the max power out of the amp. You could of course buy two speakers that give the correct impedance in series or parallel.

I often run my 4ohm amp into 2 ohms but never turn it up too far.
So far it has survived but it is 1000watts RMS !
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