Cab question: ANGLED VS. STRAIGHT

mirandasound · Newbie Alert Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

I'm in the market for a Marshall 1960 AV or BV with the 4, 7o Watt vintage 30's.

I've always played combos or a head through a 2 x 12, so don't pick on me too hard.

Anyhow, is the angled cab easier to hear on stage? Are the top two speakers actually angled up?

Thanks

TimC · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:07 pm Post subject:

Someone will probably flame me for this, but I think the idea is to bounce some of your sound off the ceiling. At some venues, the band is forced to set up at the same level as the audience. Your sound will be absorbed by the front rows, leaving the people in the back with a case of the red *Horse's Patoot*. This is why some combos have the tilt back legs. Problem is with this, all your sound is directed up. With some 4 speaker cabs, the bottom two aim straight ahead, and the top two are angled up somewhat. mirandasound, there ain't nothing wrong with combos or 2 speaker cabs. Maybe some of the performing members here will provide some help for you. Come to think of it, I've got an old Fender cabinet with tilt back legs.

mirandasound · Newbie Alert Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

Yeah, I wasn't ripping combo or 2x12 users. I love both. I just want to get a 4x12 to hear myself better. I wanted to know if the top two speakers in the new marshall 1960 AV actually tilt up toward's the players head.

Guest · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:13 pm Post subject:

I have both a 2x12 combo ( Koch Multitone ) and a t slan-top Marshall bottom ( greenbacks ) that I use ( primarily ) with a Soldano Hot Rod 50 but also with the Multitone combo.
If I use just the combo I place it on an angled stand and before that I placed it on a chair with a wedge in front under the bottom of the combo to tilt it up a little. The slant-top 4x12 cab is better in my opinion because it gives you both straight and angled speakers but it is harder to transport.

Now this is just my take and it really depends what the venue is and for the record I'm not gigging right now but I have done quite a few club, hall, house, and backyard gigs. Soooo...if you are in a club with an actual ceiling and not just bare rafters the sound from the top two angled speakers will not usually hit the ceiling that well unless you have a full stack with the angled speakers at the very top ( which is typical ). Then if the conditions are right and the ceiling is not to high you will get your sound to the back or the crowd better.

As for 2x12 combos being cool and I know there was no slaggin here but... you bet your *Horse's Patoot* they are cool. If you find a good one it will perform with the attitude of a 4x12. I've owned, borrowed, rented, etc, several combos over the years and the good ones are well worht thier weight in gold simple because they are half the size/weight of most 4x12's. Try a vertical ( under/over ) 2x12 for another great take on an easy to transport speaker cab.

Craig

khingpynn · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:17 pm Post subject:

S H I T

I hate it when I don't proof read my posts, especially when I have forgotten to login as above.

Craig
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Hydorah · Guest

I have a 1960AV and the top two speakers do indeed angle up ward at a shallow angle.

One suggestion, whatever cab you go for, line the inside with decent sound deadening material... 'specially if you play METAL!!

You get a lot of natural reverb from the acoustics of the hollowbox with marshall written on it.

Many vintage cabs were lined as standard.

If you're feweling really brave you can upgrade the wiring... You'll be astonished at how thin the standard stuff is.

Guest · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:01 pm Post subject:

My Marshall cab is lined from the factory and it has 14 ( AWG ) guage stranded conducters...the only real improvment I can see to do with it is to add some solder to the speaker terminals. The Stacons have the spring tab to hold them in place and I have never had a problem. Very Happy

I did however replace the reverb tank wiring in the Koch Multitone 100 combo with a better grad of conducter and RCA terminal adapters. Idea

Craig

khingpynn · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:03 pm Post subject:

yup did it again Rolling Eyes

that was me above before I logged in.

Craig
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jim · Guest

i suspect the thread was lost on this subject... i've used both slant & straight 4 x 12's & there's little to no audible difference at 100+db. The biggest thing is if you stand too close you won't really hear the box anyway...that's why the foh guy is having trouble with you getting into the singers mic. No matter what spkr box you use, stick your head in front of it occasionally & hear what it really sounds like... you'll be amazed how much brighter, crisper, more nazaly etc it sounds... let's face it, these days they'll most likely be a mic in front of it anyway & that's what IT will hear... If you can get a reasonable sound turned down, then ask for the foldback guy to stick some of it back into the wedges, then you'll be hearing it the same as the punters... failing that, put it on a roadcase & bring it up to your ear level. I think slant looks cooler & it fits into the boot of my car easier...